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Payé pour 4 (2 pour moi, 2 pour Jbfou wink )

151

Moi aussi ca me tenterai bien cette ultra satan, mais comment fait t'on pour passer une pres commande?

152

Voila j'ai passé pré-commande pour 1 Ultra Satan et 1 câble A

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J'en ai pris 2 aussi, avec 2 cable A et 2 cables B

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Je viens de passer commande pour 2 exemplaires.
arklif (./148) :
j'ai bien envie mais j'ai déjà un SaTan...


Tout dépend si tu l'utilises couramment ou s'il prend la poussière sur une étagère.

Si t'es dans le premier cas, fonce car personne ne sait s'il y aura d'autres fournées. C'est un peu comme les Eiffel et autres EtherNEC : si tu fonces pas dès leur sortie, tu risques de t'en mordre les doigts grin
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Tant que c'est que les doigts...

Sinon, tu peux aussi revendre ton Satandisk (on a bien vu qu'il y avait des preneurs) et ainsi t'acheter un UltraSatan
Je ne sais pas si tu as vu les vitesses de transfert en comparaison sur le site, mais c'est eek

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oui j'ai vu ca ^^

158

Sachant qu'il y a des dingues prêts à payer 261 euros pour un SatanDisk... à ce prix-là faut pas hésiter grin
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J'ai recu ca de mr ULTRA SATAN
Hello everybody,

as I promised, here are some news regarding the blocked paypal accounts. After many emails, automated responses and fighting their stupid rules all I can do is to ... refund all the money from paypal accounts to you.

No kidding, my options were stripped to two alternatives (by paypal staff):

1. Refund all money.

2. Not to refund money but I have to keep them on paypal for 180 days. Since I *need* that money for manufacturing, it's nearly the same as option 1 because these 180 days are meant as the time period in which I have to manufacture & ship my "products".

If you're curious why all this hassle now and not with SatanDisks or P2AM -- I have no idea. Maybe it all started with that strange unauthorized payment I received, they noticed two accounts, quite a money on them, my "strange" answers about not being possible to show them some shipping documents and things got pretty fast movement. The basic problem is the paypal guaranties buyers (i.e. you) some protection -- you can made a claim to seller when the stuff you have paid for (via paypal) is not shipped. For me it means I have to ship max. 7 days after I receive a payment so there's no way out, I tried very hard to convince them, really.

I'm out of ideas how to solve it in another way. Maybe if you're from United States, you could contact their HQ by phone and ask some real person about some advice / exception / miracle; email communication is way to hell, I was mailing with different person everytime and they don't seem to be interested in fact all of you agree with such schedule conditions at all.

So, what it does mean for you / us:

- if you have paid by another method (bank, moneybookers, cash), everything is OK, your money are received / noted and you don't need to do anything

- if you have paid by paypal (either by credit card or by paypal), I'll wait until April the 1st (for some miracle ;-) and then I instruct paypal guys to do a mass refund all payments which arrived since March 1st

- it's clear payment phase must be extended, you'll need to think about another way to send a payment (moneybookers.com seems to be most appropriate)

So that's it. If you can help me in any way, feel free to do so because I tried everything in my power, emailing with paypal staff is no way. And yes, I'm aware how are you pissed off, believe me, it's not a half as I am.

Sad regards,
Miro Kropacek aka MiKRO


apparemment y a des problème de payement... rage Merci paypal !

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Il y a tellement d'arnaques sur Internet que c'est un peu normal qu'il y ait des restrictions...
Seulement, là pas de chance, c'est un cas particulier mur



ColdFire qui ne vois pas trop de solutions à part engraisser son banquier rage

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y'a pas une solution du genre : il fait refund, les commandes sont faites par paypal à un mécène/par quelqu'un qui utilisera le contenu de son compte paypal et qui avancerait les thunes en liquide ?
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Pour ma part, pas de problème avec Paypal : j'ai transféré de l'argent de ma carte bancaire vers mon compte Paypal puis j'ai utilisé le moyen de paiement "Paypal to Paypal".
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163

Mise à jours des specs techniques de la CTPCI :

- 4 ports PCI au lieu de 3
- ajout d'un port IDE (en mode PIO4, 50% plus rapide que celui du Falcon)

Rodolphe a fini le routage de la carte principale cette semaine... faîtes chauffer vos cartes bleues grin
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164

J'ai pas tout suivant vu mon niveau d'anglais, car moi aussi j'ai recu ce message, comment fait on pour payer la pre commande de l"ultra satan?

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Les paiement paypal ont été annulés, donc :
-Il faut payer par un autre moyen (transfert banquaire, moneybookers, ...)
-La phase "pré-paiement" est prolongée tant que c'est pas arrangé.

Les gens qui avaient déjà payé avec autre chose que paypal n'ont pas de soucis a se faire.

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Moi j'ai pas encore payé puisque j'ai passé une pre commande la semaine derniere, donc ca va pas etre evident de payer si je comprend bien!

167

Ok, dans ce cas j'attends d'être remboursé par Paypal avant de payer d'une autre manière... (le 1er avril normalement)
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168

Des news venant de Rodolphe Czuba (17/03/09)
New design of CTPCI :

- Add an IDE port (mode PIO4) 100% compatible & 50 % faster than the Falcon one (PIO3 with Combel) with logic registers to optimize the tranfer timings according to the CT60/63 clock speed. Sorry, one wire must be connected on falcon motherboard to use this IDE port.

- New CPLD with twice logic (288 registers). The transfers of PLX reads (from SDRAM) are now supported with BURST. The writes of the PLX (into SDRAM) are not supported as BURST because of the clock difference between PLX & CT60/63 (PLX clock is divided by 2).

- Remove the drive 5 1/4 power connector

New design of PCI 4 Slots :

- Change dimensions for a better fitting into PC towers.

- Change routing from 4 layers to double face PCB to reduce cost.
- New atx holes drilling.


http://www.czuba-tech.com/CTPCI/english/Historical.htm

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bonjour,
tout ceux qui ont un atari devrais avoir cette appareil
ce serai bien d'en vendre a la ac 2009 boing
au fait merci cooper

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jbfou (./170) :
bonjour,
tout ceux qui ont un atari devrais avoir cette appareil
ce serai bien d'en vendre a la ac 2009 boing
au fait merci cooper


J'ai l'impression qu'on vit pas sur la même planète grin
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héhé, que veux tu il est à fond wink

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La même configuration à ce prix là il y a deux ans ça aurais pû passer, mais là c'est chère et on s'achemine dans une impasse technologique à priori roll


ColdFire enflamme

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JB parlait de l'ultrasatan wink

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cooper (./174) :
JB parlait de l'ultrasatan wink


Ha ! Ok ! smile

Dans ce cas il a toutes les raisons d'être à fond top



ColdFire enflamme

176

J'avais pas compris ça non plus...

Oui, c'est un projet très prometteur qui rendra de fiers services à ceux qui utilisent (ou veulent utiliser) leur ST souvent cool
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177

Quelques nouvelles concernant l'UltraSatan.

Pour mémoire, tous ceux qui avaient payé par Paypal avaient reçu le 20 mars ce message :
Hello everybody,

as I promised, here are some news regarding the blocked paypal accounts. After many emails, automated responses and fighting their stupid rules all I can do is to ... refund all the money from paypal accounts to you.

No kidding, my options were stripped to two alternatives (by paypal staff):

1. Refund all money.
2. Not to refund money but I have to keep them on paypal for 180 days. Since I *need* that money for manufacturing, it's nearly the same as option 1 because these 180 days are meant as the time period in which I have to manufacture & ship my "products".

If you're curious why all this hassle now and not with SatanDisks or P2AM -- I have no idea. Maybe it all started with that strange unauthorized payment I received, they noticed two accounts, quite a money on them, my "strange" answers about not being possible to show them some shipping documents and things got pretty fast movement. The basic problem is the paypal guaranties buyers (i.e. you) some protection -- you can made a claim to seller when the stuff you have paid for (via paypal) is not shipped. For me it means I have to ship max. 7 days after I receive a payment so there's no way out, I tried very hard to convince them, really.

I'm out of ideas how to solve it in another way. Maybe if you're from United States, you could contact their HQ by phone and ask some real person about some advice / exception / miracle; email communication is way to hell, I was mailing with different person everytime and they don't seem to be interested in fact all of you agree with such schedule conditions at all.

So, what it does mean for you / us:

- if you have paid by another method (bank, moneybookers, cash), everything is OK, your money are received / noted and you don't need to do anything
- if you have paid by paypal (either by credit card or by paypal), I'll wait until April the 1st (for some miracle ;-) and then I instruct paypal guys to do a mass refund all payments which arrived since March 1st
- it's clear payment phase must be extended, you'll need to think about another way to send a payment (moneybookers.com seems to be most appropriate)

So that's it. If you can help me in any way, feel free to do so because I tried everything in my power, emailing with paypal staff is no way. And yes, I'm aware how are you pissed off, believe me, it's not a half as I am.

Sad regards,
Miro Kropacek aka MiKRO


Tous ceux qui ont un tant soit peu travaillé avec Paypal connaissent les problèmes que l'on peut avoir avec cette boite.
Donc rien d'alarmant à ce message, c'est la réalité des faits.

Voici la suite, reçu hier (30 mars 2009)
Hi everybody,

After though thinking, discussion with Jookie etc I decided to send whole Paypal to the hell, with all consequences it implies.

The reason is simple -- I'm paying THEM, not vice versa, i.e. it's crazy I should beg them for some exceptions and feel like a criminal doing some nasty things. Maybe you don't realize that but Paypal could got quite a money for this "sale", 3.4% from nearly 80 people with average payment about 100 Euro... that's quite a lot. And if they don't want our (your!) money, so be it.

I instructed them to do a refund but as soon as I received their nice "I forwarded this to my retarded-colleague-behaving-line-another-machine" email I decided to do the refund manually, before they do any other stupid action (like "It came to our attention you want to do a mass refund, so we have frozen all your money until we decide to do so"). It was really nice hour, I am mouse-clicked to the death wink

Anyway. Everyone should receive email from Paypal the refund is done, I double checked the list, everyone with "completed" status is now "refunded". The next step will be I change Paypal guys to "not paid" in our system.

So what are our / your options: if you were not disgusted with all this hassle, we still welcome your orders again but via another way.
One way is to use bank transfer (the most problem-less but might be quite expensive for non-EU citizens).
In case you better trust your credit card, there is a Paypal alternative called "MoneyBookers" (http://www.moneybookers.com). It has significantly lesser fees (compare 0.50 Euro on MB to 3.4% of the sum + 0.35 Euro on Paypal, sometimes its three times cheaper!) and I've had never any problems with them. I even double checked they are not going to do any troubles, it was very polite and correct conversation, much against what I witnessed with Paypal staff.
The third option is cash-in-letter or money-via-3rd-person (you can join your payments for example, no problem for me) but of course, it's the least secure.

If you want to pay via either way, just login into our system, choose desired option and you'll get all needed details (like bank info).

Btw, I added some legal stuff on order site like privacy policy or return policy, it doesn't mean anything for you, it's just result of conversation with moneybookers merchant staff, I wanted to be sure the history wont repeat, so they told me I should include such things and they will be OK with my "business". Of course those things are right, i.e. we do really have that return policy etc ;-)

OK, all for now, I'm sorry for any inconvenience (I can imagine how much "fun" is to register on some portal and give them your credit card number or bank account access), I was trying really hard but Paypal is definitely bad place for amateur projects like ours. So what, life is going on, you will appreciate your UltraSatan device even better ;-)

And btw #2 -- we've extended payment deadline until the end of May (unfortunately, that also means we've moved manufacturing & shipping one month away -- HUGE APOLOGIZE for all the non-Paypalers!).

Hopefully, the next email you receive from us will be about manufacturing success and beginning of shipping phase!

Best regards,
Miro Kropacek aka MiKRO


Il a donc procédé à tous les remboursements de ceux qui avaient payés par Paypal
Et il annonce que suite à ce petit problème, finalement la date de paiement est prolongée jusque fin mai

Ils proposent à tous ceux qui avaient payé par Paypal de faire un virement bancaire (facile dans la zone euro) ou alors de passer par MoneyBooker, un autre site de paiement via CB dans le genre de Paypal, mais avec moins de frais pour le vendeur.

J'ai déjà utilisé ce moyen de paiement il y a quelques années.
Il est moins cher pour le vendeur qui reçoit l'argent.
Par contre, lors de mon utilisation de ce site, je me souviens qu'une partie des frais est aussi pour l'acheteur (celui qui envoie l'argent)
J'ignore si c'est encore ainsi aujourd'hui.

Mais même Paypal en est venu à cette possibilité.
Il est maintenant possible via Paypal de payer quelqu'un est d'en assumer (ou de partager) les frais.
Donc système semblable a ce que faisait (fait ?) MoneyBooker

Mais MoneyBooker ne se permet pas aussi facilement que Paypal de bloquer des fonds pour un oui ou pour un non.

Et pour terminer, il annonce qu'à cause de ce problème lié à Paypal, la fabrication et la livraison sera elle aussi retardée d'un mois pour tout le monde, autant pour ceux qui ont payé par Paypal, que ceux qui ont procédé autrement

Voilà les news.

J'attends impatiemment mes 2 UltraSatan commandés smile

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je vais passer par un virement bancaire alors...
je sais que ca m'avait couté les yeux de la tête la dernière fois que je l'ai fait... mais bon je verrai bien.

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D'autres news de l'UltraSatan.
Mais celles-ci s'adressent surtout aux acheteurs non européens.
Hello,

my faith not to send anything except good news failed once again smile As many of you realized, US citizens (and maybe some others -- Canada?) for some unknown reason can't use MoneyBookers for sending money. It's possible only via some obscure way when I'm ebay seller and/or registered partner on their "shopping" tab, i.e. nothing I could pass (because ebay does not allow pre-sales and our web form is not definitely eshop of any kind).

OK, so that ruled out US guys in the pretty same way as with Paypal. I was investigating a possibility to use that US Postal Money Order but it seems quite impossible on both sides (USPS website contain only a very few international countries where is possible to send money to and my bank has got no knowledge of anything like that). After look on the website of Slovakian post office, there was only one mention about international money transfer and that was -- Western Union.

I fear, this is my final station, I can do nothing more, if you can't / don't want to use money bookers, only two options left: bank transfer and western union what is pretty much same in fact. WU website says transfer from California to Slovakia is $22, so you have to check what's cheaper, if bank or WU (I'd say WU but you never know).

Speaking of WU, I'm aware of the fact you US guys are quite mistrustful about it and I can't blame you, I've heard about many scams with WU and Eastern Europe involved smile)) The base of those scams is the fact you can't get your money back, for example, in case I send you empty box (instead of ultrasatan device(s)), you can do nothing about it. You see, it's about a trust -- if you trust me I'm not going you send an empty box, then there's nothing to worry about. If you don't, well, uhm, I guess I can do nothing about it. I can only say to my defense no single person complained about delivery of SatanDisk nor P2AM devices (this makes about 200 happy atarians!) and I'm certainly not going to break that status with UltraSatan batch smile

===== Important part =====

So if you are OK with Western Union or bank transfer (hint: if you can, join your payments with some other atari friend(s) -- you can significantly lower that WU/bank fees):

- login into our system and choose "bank transfer"
- this will show you my full address and bank account information (I'm afraid Western Union does not allow bank transfer in Slovakia so you just tell them my address)
- go to western union agent or use website to send me the sum you see in our web form
- ensure I'm going to receive that sum and not the sum minus WU/bank fee !!! (WU website even offers such options: 1) send XXX Euros 2) make recipient receive XXX Euros)
- wait for acknowledge from my side (WU says the money should be transferred within 10 minutes, since I must to go to WU agent personally each time, I assume I'm going to check it once per week)

==========================

As I say, this is really the final step about the payment receiving from our side, believe me, I explored probably all possibilities which are in my power. Even when I appreciate every your idea how to get out of this, believe me, Google Checkout, eBay, another guy's PayPal account etc etc can't help us for very serious reasons.

If you would like to be keep posted as soon as possible, keep your eye on
http://www.atari-forum.com/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=16112 (Atari Forum thread about UltraSatan payments), sometime I post there some information before I send "official" email). But it's optional, of course, I always send emails about important things.

So once again, sorry for the troubles, I appreciate all the support and patience from your side, it gives us an energy to keep our word to give you the best possible storage device for Atari ST/TT available!

Best Regards,
Miro Kropacek aka MiKRO

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arklif (./178) :
je vais passer par un virement bancaire alors...
je sais que ca m'avait couté les yeux de la tête la dernière fois que je l'ai fait... mais bon je verrai bien.


Ce n'est pas normal que ça t'ai couté si cher.

Un virement européen dans le cadre BIC + IBAN doit couter le même prix qu'un virement national
En général de gratuit à 4,80 euros grand maximum, sinon c'est du vol ou la personne au guichet ne passe pas par les conventions BIC et IBAN et là effectivement ça peut couter plus de 20 euros.